[nylug-talk] Continually discrediting oneself -- WAS: Slim home server for samba and subversion ( and possibly IMAP)

Sun May 11 00:26:06 EDT 2008

http://xkcd.com/386/


On 5/10/08, Bryan J. Smith <b.j.smith at ieee.org> wrote:
> I almost resisted respond to this, as I have several others.  I thought
> long and hard how I should respond, if I did.  I do this fully knowing I
> should not.
>
> Alex Pilosov wrote:
>> a) IXP is expensive, nobody puts IXP on a 200$ NAS device (with rare
>> exceptions, iomega did I think)
>
> Chris Knadle wrote:
>> The $90 Linksys NSLU2, runs an IXP processor.  [I'm using two of these
>> with Linux on them for DHCP services.]
>>      $ cat /proc/cpuinfo
>>      Processor       : XScale-IXP42x Family rev 1 (v5b)
>>      BogoMIPS        : 131.48
>
> Chris --
>
> Sometimes the best response is not to make one.  Although some members
> won't know what we are talking about, or may believe Alex's response to
> mine, those in the industry will know.
>
> I.e., Alex has once again discredited himself as being someone who has
> any experience in an area -- namely exposure to one of the most
> proliferated embedded solutions for SOHO networking/storage devices,
> Intel IXP400 series.
>
> E.g., from this, he has shown he cannot separate the cost of a prototype
> board from the per-unit quantity cost of mass produced,
> application-specific device with the same microcontroller -- again,
> namely the Intel IXP400 series.
>
> Furthermore, he goes on to make such broad, non-specific statements that
> vary greatly from application to application, like ...
>
> Alex Pilosov wrote:
>> b) ARM has enough firepower to serve out a gigabit of data
>
> and ... (several times) ...
>
> Alex Pilosov wrote:
>> it's a software issue.
>
> I have often found myself keeping my mouth shut throughout my career
> with select CS and IT folk have lectured me about "digital" and
> "software."  I distinctly being in the library (waiting on a resource)
> at my Alma Mater when a CS major (in front of me, using the resource)
> lectured me about architecture, and cut me off a few times when I tried
> to lead him towards where he should be going.
>
> There are major interconnect, buffering, ASIC and other considerations
> when it comes to any I/O, especially multiple dataflows through I/O,
> possibly relying on LOAD/EXEC/STOR and other operations.  The second I
> start talking about network and storage processing engines, there's
> always someone trying to "look smart" with "big O" and other things.
> Intel still designs specialized ASICs around their cores, even the new,
> 2-issue, in-order x86 Atom design.
>
> Lastly, There is a huge lineage of ARM products.  Saying ARM is like
> saying x86.  It says nothing but a huge lineage.
>
> The continual lack of specifics in his responses, and ignoring my
> further engagements to draw out his thinking or more info, is beyond
> being a troll.  I not only look back at my youth, but I regularly have
> to keep myself in check, to differentiate between when I'm being
> intuitive, inquisitive, complementary, confrontational, etc... and when
> I'm just downright insolent.  But in all honesty, I don't think I've
> ever seen this continually unique combination of insolence with
> providing statements that just flat-out discredit oneself.
>
> I'm not big on credentials, and it takes _years_ to earn the
> professional trust of others.  I fully expect people to not believe a
> word out of my mouth -- until I prove, over _years_, that what I say
> tends to provide them with answers that work for them.  Only then will
> people stop to listen to what I say, and not before.  And even then I
> hope they will still question and test things for themselves to ensure
> not merely that I wasn't mistaken, but my experience and application was
> also applicable to their need -- which is not always the case.
>
> Alex, you are assuming beyond belief, and just utterly discredit
> yourself.  It's clear you railroad over people, not merely making
> assumptions about where they are coming from, but clearly exposing you
> have not been exposed yourself to many industries, where experience
> would have informed you of things to the contrary.  It's really hurting
> you.
>
> I mean ...
>
> I could bring in an engineer who has designed the reference firmware and
> software of some of these SOHO devices used in every "household name"
> products on the shelf at superstores, someone who has worked as a core
> FAE at Intel's primary partner on IXP designs, and you'd not only argue
> with him -- but attempt to discredit anything he posted just trying to
> help others, and make every attempt to do so whenever he posted at all.
>
> I could bring in an engineer who has worked with Steve Furber (I fully
> expect you to Google him now, and then act like you knew -- I'll save
> you the trouble, you'll find him on the "ARM" page at Wikipedia to
> start ;), or been on his teams at educational and industry leaders where
> he is (or was) on the board overseeing development -- and yet you'd
> lecture him on ARM anytime X-Scale was brought up, or make qip's about
> ALUs and ignore his focus on ASICs when he tried to steer you.
>
> I could bring in an electrical engineer who has helped define several
> IEEE 802 sub-committee standards and revisions, and you'd lecture him
> it's all about software.  You assume everything, and will not merely not
> listen to no one, but you will not even work with someone who honestly
> tries to lead you in the right direction.
>
> I know it was wrong to post this, but I hope you see it Alex.  But my
> initials are "BS" and I even put "Professional, Technical Annoyance" in
> my signature.  That could mean I'm all BS and should be ignored.  Or it
> could mean I have learned some humility in my time -- hint, hint.  ;)
>
> --
> Bryan J  Smith              Professional, Technical Annoyance
> mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org  http://www.linkedin.com/in/bjsmith
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