[nylug-talk] The futureof Zimbra after Microsoft's bid forYahoo!

Thu Feb 7 12:32:13 EST 2008

I agree there. When I use evolution I feel like I'm using an old version of outlook.

Its a halfway decent email client. With a bit more polish it could become . . . er . . . fully decent?

-Zach
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ruben Safir <ruben at mrbrklyn.com>

Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:38:16 
To:NYLUG Technical Discussion <nylug-talk at nylug.org>
Subject: Re: [nylug-talk] The futureof	Zimbra	after	Microsoft's	bid	forYahoo!

Hey Raj!

> 
> Ajai Khattri wrote:
> > On Wed, 6 Feb 2008, Ron Guerin wrote:
> > 
> >> I'm making this up as I go along, and I think it's *possible*, but I 
> >> have no idea how probable.  Steve Jobs does want to take over the world 
> >> though, so I have to think he's got an idea or two about how Exchange 
> >> helps maintain the Windows dominance of corporate desktops.  To really 
> >> play in that market you need to have both a server that provides highly 
> >> similar functionality, and you need a plugin for Outlook.
> > 
> > At least one or two drop-in replacements dont need an Outlook plugin... 
> > wonder if they reverse-engineered the protocols?
> 

> They must have.  Supposedly it is Very Hard To Do, because guys like 
> Ximian/Novell can't figure it out, and do what amounts to Web scraping 
> for their "Exchange Connector", unless that's changed.  The only reason 
> I'm partial to a plugin is because if you reverse engineer Exchange's 
> protocol, then you're subject to Microsoft changing it to screw with 
> you, whereas if you go the plugin route, then (I think) you're less 
> likely to find yourself broken one morning after Patch Tuesday.

Ron

The problem Ximian has, among many which gets far off this discussion, is
that they are try too hard to emulate MS rather than create a better working
standard.  They are CONSTANTLY chasing their tails with regard to this and OF
COURSE in such a game they lose and the developers get fatigue.

When Evolution evolves into something newer and better, it will then 
succeed technically and within the market.

> 
> The pricing on PostPath looks a little brutal, IMO.  12 users is free, 
> if you need 13 users, you have to buy a 60 user license for $4000.  Even 
> if you need 60 users, $4000 doesn't sound all that competitive to me, 
> vs. SBS2003, although in theory you might save money on consultants.
> 
> One thing I'll throw out here though is I've never liked the tight 
> binding of groupware service to mail service.  With Exchange you must 
> use the integrated SMTP/IMAP services.  Even here, PostPath works only 
> with Postfix.  All the FOSS ones I've seen were tied to some specific 
> SMTP server.  I think the starting point for a FOSS groupware server 
> should be that it is SMTP service implementation neutral.  Then all 
> parties interested in groupware services can work on it, regardless of 
> their preferred SMTP server.  I really think dictating what mail server 
> you have to use is one of the reasons we've got little to show for all 
> the efforts that have been made at this stuff.  It fractures the labor pool.
> 
> - Ron
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