[nylug-talk] Why does "enterprise" imply "Java"?

[Andrew Pliszka]

I love Ruby and PHP, but until these languages will have consistent 
libraries providing the same services that J2EE is providing it is safe 
to say that Java is more enterprise oriented that the others.

The most imporatant for Java is not the language but the libraries that 
are avaliable.


Ajai Khattri wrote:

> Felix Shnir wrote:
>
>> Ajai, j2ee has stuff that for you to understand you need to phrase it 
>> "ohh
>> of course, its DRb in ruby!"
>>
>> Well, j2ee has em from the get go.  When you install j2ee application 
>> server
>> - all of this stuff is there already.  You are able to read docs and 
>> build
>> distro environment.  Also, you are not required to have intimate 
>> knowledge
>> of any of the APIs.  You need to know that they are there, and need 
>> to know
>> what they are used for.  When you store an object in JNDI - you need 
>> to know
>> nothing about how / where this tree is stored and who maintains it.  You
>> just need to know that its there, and you can access it.  Lastly, server
>> administrators are ultimately the ones that have control over 
>> scalability
>> and distribution -- developer only manager logic in the objects, but 
>> admins
>> have ability to spread the load in any way they see fit -- wonna move 
>> the
>> heavy hit enterprise beans to a better server?, no problem, increase
>> database pool? -- all in the entrprise consoles...
>
>
> Felix, this is a more balanced reply than the rather condescending (or 
> maybe downright nasty):
>
> "It's not about what you can or can't do with some combination of RoR 
> and last week's CVS snapshot from junktrunk.sourceforge.net",
>
> from Mike, so thanks for that.
>
> This is an interesting discussion all the same. RoR 1.0 was released 
> last December so its still new and J2EE has a long headstart so yeah 
> it has some way to go (I personally just find Ruby more concise than 
> Java for OOP).
>
> Also your earlier point:
>
> "Comparing some of those languages to java is possible such as PHP | 
> RoR vs Java Servlets + lets say Hibernate (or Spirng),"
>
> is well noted.
>
> I did come across an article that did some comparison between 
> Hibernate and ActiveRecord 
> (http://www.theserverside.com/tt/articles/article.tss?l=RailsHibernate 
> if anyone's interested) and seems to me that the API level is where 
> you can make *some* (not all) valid comparisons but the maturity 
> differences make this tricky at best.
>
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