[nylug-talk] Why does "enterprise" imply "Java"?

[Felix Shnir]

heh, i'm just tired =) everything you said is a part of why java is
"enterprisy"


On 7/7/06, Michael Bacarella <mbac at netgraft.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 11:11:21AM -0400, Felix Shnir wrote:
> > Why do you have to twist it?  With normal management, you can convince
> them
> > to use the tool you find appropriate.  As said, there is right tool for
> any
> > job.  A large app that will have to do massive database work,
> distributed
> > transactions, massive user loads - there is nothing better than
> Java.  Hell,
> > build PHP web app - you can still tie it into a Java middleware, its all
> up
> > to the person in the field executing the decision.
>
> Now I'm confused, I thought I was agreeing with you!
>
> If someone wanted to make Python ENTERPRISE, they'd have to start with
> adding ~30 APIs and I'm assuming the stuff to go with it: documentation,
> training and certification programs, etc.  Then they'd have something
> attractive to larger organizations.  A nicelyl integrated package of
> stuff.
>
> No one in free software land does this because it's pretty unsexy.
> And expensive.
>
> Java gets this stuff because key players are interested in addressing
> this market's needs.  I don't see how I'm twisting anything.
>
>
> > On 7/7/06, Michael Bacarella <mbac at netgraft.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 10:53:09AM -0400, Felix Shnir wrote:
> > >...
> > >> >So, Java is more enterprisy because it has an OODMS?  Whereas PHP
> > >> >developers might try to do the same thing with an RDBMS.  And we all
> > >> >know how enterprisy THAT is?
> > >>
> > >> Err, we're getting off topic.  If you like me to keep on citing
> > >examples,
> > >> J2EE has roughly ~30 different apis, JNDI being only one.  As stated
> > >> previously, Java is "more enterprise" because it has those API ready
> to
> > >be
> > >> used in the context of the application you are building and
> supporting
> > >> infrastucture to have it ready to go when needed.  PHP
> doesnt.  Python
> > >> doesnt.  Ruby doesnt.  End of statement.  The only thing LAMP stack
> has
> > >on
> > >> Java is the fact that it is more reachable by lower to middle level
> > >> businesses and developers thus making it more mainstream.
> > >
> > >Nicely integrated package of stuff that really large organizations care
> > >about?
> > >
> > >Got it.
>
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