[nylug-talk] Why does "enterprise" imply "Java"?

[Michael Bacarella]

On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 11:11:21AM -0400, Felix Shnir wrote:
> Why do you have to twist it?  With normal management, you can convince them
> to use the tool you find appropriate.  As said, there is right tool for any
> job.  A large app that will have to do massive database work, distributed
> transactions, massive user loads - there is nothing better than Java.  Hell,
> build PHP web app - you can still tie it into a Java middleware, its all up
> to the person in the field executing the decision.

Now I'm confused, I thought I was agreeing with you!

If someone wanted to make Python ENTERPRISE, they'd have to start with
adding ~30 APIs and I'm assuming the stuff to go with it: documentation,
training and certification programs, etc.  Then they'd have something
attractive to larger organizations.  A nicelyl integrated package of stuff.  

No one in free software land does this because it's pretty unsexy.
And expensive.

Java gets this stuff because key players are interested in addressing
this market's needs.  I don't see how I'm twisting anything.


> On 7/7/06, Michael Bacarella <mbac at netgraft.com> wrote:
> >
> >On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 10:53:09AM -0400, Felix Shnir wrote:
> >...
> >> >So, Java is more enterprisy because it has an OODMS?  Whereas PHP
> >> >developers might try to do the same thing with an RDBMS.  And we all
> >> >know how enterprisy THAT is?
> >>
> >> Err, we're getting off topic.  If you like me to keep on citing
> >examples,
> >> J2EE has roughly ~30 different apis, JNDI being only one.  As stated
> >> previously, Java is "more enterprise" because it has those API ready to
> >be
> >> used in the context of the application you are building and supporting
> >> infrastucture to have it ready to go when needed.  PHP doesnt.  Python
> >> doesnt.  Ruby doesnt.  End of statement.  The only thing LAMP stack has
> >on
> >> Java is the fact that it is more reachable by lower to middle level
> >> businesses and developers thus making it more mainstream.
> >
> >Nicely integrated package of stuff that really large organizations care
> >about?
> >
> >Got it.