[nylug-talk] LSB/FHS filesystem silliness, developer silliness

[etamme@optonline.net]

First.. Sorry for top posting but it is tough with a thread this big while I'm on a blackberry. 

I just wanted to say that its awsome to hear of a real coco and other vintage computing collector.. Unfortunately I was too young to experience the stuff the first time around, but I love em!  It took me a long time to find just a tape drive for my coco model 2.. So it sounds like you have a pretty impressive collection.

-eric
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 21:29:24 
To:NYLUG Technical Discussion <nylug-talk at nylug.org>
Subject: Re: [nylug-talk] LSB/FHS filesystem silliness, developer silliness

On 12/5/06, wdg3rd at comcast.net <wdg3rd at comcast.net> wrote:
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Ajai Khattri <ajai at bitblit.net>
> > On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote:
> >
> > > OS-9 was [and NitrOS-9 is] a sort of mini-Unix written in assembler for
> > > the Motorola 6809 cpu, (still) widely used in embedded applications and
> > > on the Radio Shack Color Computer.
> >
> > TRaSh-80???
> >
> > :-)
>
> Yeah, you better smile when you use that nickname, son.  Nobody in Fort Worth realized how the initials of Tandy/Radio Shack would be abused by those who bought inferior machines with crappy 6502 CPUs.
>
> In my basement I have a Model One, a Model 2, a Mod 4, a Mod 4p (the "Singer sewing machine case luggabe" version of the Mod 4, 26 pounds of knee-joint destroying fun), a Mod 12 (which is spare parts for), a Tandy 6000 Xenix system (Radio Shack started shipping Xenix in 1/83, as an instructor and tech support type at the highest volume Radio Shack Computer Center in Southern California, I had to learn Unix right then), several Mod 100 notebooks, at least one of every major revision of the Color Computer.  Plus a crapload of peripherals for same, and software and documentation out the wazoo.  It's a hobby, OK?
>
> That Tandy 6000 boots the only Microsoft operating system I use at home (unless you consider BASIC in ROM an operating system).  Xenix was a fully-licensed-from-AT&T-by-Microsoft port of Version 7, later upgraded to System III, with many Berkeley enhancements.  (Though no networking aside from the serial uucp utility set).  Microsoft wasn't competent to make it an end-user product, so they sub-licensed it to Altos, Tandy, IBM and the Santa Cruz Operation (which last has almost nothing to do with the modern SCO Group).  In the mid-1980s, Tandy had more CPUs in the field running Unix than any other single hardware vendor.
>
> I backup the T6k to one of my Linux boxes using uucp.  (Also my AT&T 7300 Unix PCs).  In fact, for these machines, having more software and data than will fit on their old 15-70 Mb drives, I move material both ways as needed, at 9600bps.  I may be one of the only Linux users in this area still using uucp, or for that matter serial ports.  (I know guys in PA, FL, TX, CA and WA who also do so).
> --
> Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net
>
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Hello!
I disagree. I studied both the M68xx assembler and the MK/SYN6502
assembler at one point. It also happens that during the heyday of the
Apple II family I became one of the best programmers in both BASIC and
Assembler.

I also taught myself I8086 assembler when I started with the PC
generation. That also includes Turbo Pascal. I still do that for
special applications that only run on DOS, this was on several
generations of the AT&T PC. I finally quit that when they wore out.

By the time I discovered the wonders of Linux I had started figuring
out enough C on the descendants of same to confuse anyone except the
Kernel hackers. While I am not as good at it as say the good people
who bring us each generation of Linux Kernel.

 And I can state that I remember enough 6502 assembler to insist that
its better then the 6809. Especially since Mostek was started by the
people who created the original 6800 family.They followed the lead
indicated by the people of Zilog.

So before we get into a game of insults over who is better and who
isn't we should steer things back to the origins of this thread.
Especially since I can state why I am right. Both of us are, because
one is very good under specific conditions, your 6809, and mine is
under others, the 6502.

And your not, with regards to serial ports. I still use one for Palm
Pilot issues and for a SLIP access project I am still working on
evolving the debugging stage.

Now if you really want to know why, I suggest you ask me, next time at
a LUG meeting if your still interested and present. (If you live in
the Tri-state area.)
-- 
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature was once found posting rude
 messages in English in the Moscow subway."
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